The MTVu fandom awards, guys! I don’t know what they are, you don’t know what they are, but I have to applaud their existence. Taking place at Comic Con, it’s not technically an awards show. What it seems, transparently and baldly, is an attempt to gather together a bunch of stuff that “the kids” are talking about and basically praising that audience for being an audience.
Now, the nature and existence of fandom1 is one that is near and dear to my heart, given that I’m a pretty earnest person who is very interested in telling the world what I like (that’s why you’re all here, after all). In order to pit fans against one another competitively, however, one has to establish the criteria for “best.” In this case, that isn’t done. It’s nearly impossible to evaluate what is actually being awarded here, because it’s impossible to tell by what criteria the thing is evaluated.
There are four categories: movies, tv dramas, tv comedies and animation, each of which has eight nominees. What follows is a rundown of what they are, what’s up with the fans (in an attempt to establish criteria) and, of course, who should win.
The Hunger Games
THE THING: Interestingly, of the eight nominees in the movie category, six are based on print works2, but there is no “book” category. That seems like it’s missing a big point of the zeitgeist, except that each of the major players in the cultural conversation right now also has a corresponding movie, so we’re back there. Anyway. The Hunger Games is basically the elder statesman of this category (with certain allowances for the superhero franchises, which have to be considered separately), having existed for several years, the entire run of its books, and 50% of its film presence3. Nevertheless, it’s been a juggernaut, and is, of all the nominees here, the one with the most traditional “respectability,” for whatever that’s worth.
THE FANDOM: Not as intense now as it once was, but still thriving, The Hunger Games made most of its bones on appealing to people outside the target audience for dystopian young adult novels. Nevertheless, it also converted a large proportion of those people into selfsame audience, so it’s hard to hold that against it.
THE THING: Another dystopian YA book-series-turned-film-series, this one without dead squirrels or cake decoration. Sort of the Brave New World to The Hunger Games’ 19844, Divergent is also the more recent arrival (the books started in 2011, three years after The Hunger Games) of the two.
THE FANDOM: It’s got a bunch of fans that came late to the Hunger Games party and wanted a thing of their own. I don’t see as many grown-ups as enthusiastic about Divergent, which is a shame, because it’s just fine as a series of books. I’d hazard that the fandom is less huge, but probably more loyal as a mass.
THE THING: The jolly, introductory prelude to The Lord of the Rings has become an overblown, ten-hour film series. Tim from The Office finds some jewelry in a cave then has to steal a rock from a fire-breathing Sherlock. Now a ten-hour film series, formerly a three-hundred page novel.
THE FANDOM: It brings together Tolkien fans, Cumberbitches and fantasy-movie people. It’s in the film category, despite the fact that, although a ton of people I’ve talked to have seen the movies (myself included), no one really prefers them to the book. Also currently a fandom that exists somewhere between Lord of the Rings book people, Lord of the Rings movie people, and, again, Benedict Cumberbatch’s not-inconsiderable following.
THE THING: A tv show that did not get the attention it deserved, the viewership it warranted or the posthumous grieving it should’ve until it was far too late became a kickstartered-into-wild-success film, giving Rob Thomas the satisfaction he should have had and also prepping him to make the fucking Party Down movie that is, really, the only way to show gratitude for all this.
THE FANDOM: Thirty-year-old tv geeks. I have no idea what this show is doing here, except that people who really like the show (cough) also have blogs and are most likely to watch weird awards shows on MTV (cough).
The Fault in Our Stars
THE THING: More cancer than Funky Winkerbean, less Mike Birbiglia than Sleepwalk With Me, more purple prose than Prince’s autobiography. Lachrymose, laconic, lacking.
THE FANDOM: Rabid, evangelical, omnipresent. This is at peak popularity, and is a bona-fide phenomenon. It’s fandom could be anyone. Even you.
Captain America: Winter Soldiers
THE THING: OK, here’s where things get weird. See, it would make sense if this was Captain America in general. He’s had two very good movies, he’s a part of The Avengers, Chris Evans is pretty awesome. No problem. It would also make sense if this was The Marvel Cinematic Universe5. But it’s just the most recent Captain America movie.
THE FANDOM: Uh…Captain America fans. Seriously. This is actually a subset of the actual fandom. The movie has made 700 million dollars. Its audience is “everyone that kind of wants to see a Captain America movie.” Some of that audience is probably its own fandom, but seriously, this is why this is a bullshit award.
X-Men: Days of Future Past
THE THING: See above, but also Days of Future Past the comic-book run has a long history. Fondly remembered as one of the coolest stories of the early-eighties X-Men6, it was rumored to be the subject of a movie before there even was an X-Men film series. But this isn’t about that, because this is about the movie. Sigh.
THE FANDOM: Jennifer Lawrence/Nicholas Hoult shippers, since they got back together I guess? Again, it’s not “the current X-Men film series,” it’s “this one particular X-Men film.” Maybe Frasier obsessives who are happy to see their favorite call-in psychologist getting more acting work?
THE THING: Braindead, thoroughly enjoyable action movie about giant robots beating up aliens that never once does anything you don’t expect but, like a hot dog, gives you exactly what you wanted by agreeing to it in the first place.
THE FANDOM: Surprisingly complex! This is one of the more active fandoms, given the source material. Since there’s very little to try to parse out of the movie (which is, seriously, just robots punching monsters, then punching them again, intercut with wisecracks), they mostly have gone in for filling in the biological details of the kaiju, and filling in backstories. It’s pretty impressive stuff.
THE RIGHTFUL WINNER: I would like to say Pacific Rim, because it really is some impressive work, but really – the entire existence of the Veronica Mars movie is owed directly to the fans, who paid for the movie to get made in the first place. I don’t know what MTVu is using to make this decision, but that’s how it works for me.
THE THING: The almost ten-year-old series about extraordinary handsome gentlemen who also fight the supernatural.
THE FANDOM: People who want to watch extraordinarily handsome gentlemen do things. Also: CW shows have extremely loyal fanbases, mainly by delivering what people want out of a silly serialized soapy supernatural story.
THE THING: Taylor Lautner’s character from Twilight, recast as the lead of True Blood with werewolves, and named after a 1985 movie, for reasons I can’t fathom.
THE FANDOM: Uh. This is pretty much here because the show itself airs on MTV. While there are people out there who like Teen Wolf, it really doesn’t have the same class of fandom as the rest of this here. We can just move on.
Game of Thrones
THE THING: Dune in medieval Europe, plus dragons and loads of boobs.
THE FANDOM: Extremely layered. Some of the characters have their own fandoms unto themselves, ranging from the bizarre (Ned Stark, who died7 at the end of the first season, to the extremely discomforting (Arya Stark, who, well, it’s just really discomforting) to the perfectly sensible (Tyrion Lannister, because Peter Dinklage is awesome all day). People get really involved in Game of Thrones, and I’m just enough of a hipster douchebag to point out that this is another fandom that would’ve been better-served by making a books category, because the book fans leave the tv show fans standing cold.
The Vampire Diaries
THE THING: Another surprisingly-long-running show on the CW, this one is sort of a basic-cable True Blood. Why do I keep comparing things to True Blood, you ask? Well, this one is even about vampires.
THE FANDOM: The CW thing, mostly. It should probably have its own category, as I’m fairly certain I’ve seen a lot of crossover between The Vampire Diaries and Supernatural
THE THING: Long-running science fiction adventure serial. Immortal guy with two hearts regenerates every few years, travels with a companion, does a bit of rescuing and, when things are going really well, eats jelly babies. Recently mired in a bunch of way-overblown stories that don’t go anywhere, it made the decision to cast an old cranky dude in the role of The Doctor, perhaps realizing that all of the best doctors were old cranky dudes.
THE FANDOM: Grown (in America) out of desperate science fiction television fans/anglophiles that probably heard about it through its connection to Douglas Adams9 who clamored so loudly for a revival that we got one, which then grew to include all sorts of other science fiction television fans, anglophiles, and has become something of a present-day Buffy: the fandom’s web spaces are every bit as important as a shibboleth and touchstone and general community-round-up as they are as an actual place to discuss the actual show. Basically, it’s gotten bigger on the inside.
THE THING: The BBC adaptation of A.C. Doyle’s detective. This one is considerably more faithful than any of the others in terms of plot elements, while being willing to change the technological stuff to reflect the present day, which is brilliant. Unique among every other multi-part work in this list for basically not having a “bad patch.” The birthplace of public awareness of the Fandom Elemental Force known as Benedict Cumberbatch.
THE FANDOM: Again, the Benedict Cumberbatch thing. This is also beloved (again, in America) by anglophiles who, for whatever reason, don’t want to watch Downton Abbey, probably even some mystery fans, and people who would literally watch Martin Freeman eat soup (cough).
THE THING: The recently-departed Show That Oh My God I Can’t Believe You Aren’t Watching or, alternately, that I Stayed Up All Night Bingeing Because I Couldn’t Believe It Was That Good. Chemistry teacher deals drugs with one of his students, and then all hell breaks loose.
THE FANDOM: This is another one that’s tricky. There’s no denying that Breaking Bad is beloved, certainly, but I think its fandom is actually a subset of the tv geek fandom that was also responsible for propping up Justified or Mad Men or Oz or The Wire. As its own fandom it’s primarily the sort of re-watching obsessives that you don’t find very often outside of science fiction, but that accounts for a very small portion of the people that are into it.
Pretty Little Liars
THE THING: Another former book series, this one is something like Nancy Drew crossed with The OC10. I’ve never watched a minute of it, but it skews younger than the other soapy shows on this list, and it airs on ABC Family
THE FANDOM: Young and earnest. This one has the most traditional-type fandom, as the ironic distance with which people enjoy Supernatural and The Vampire Diaries isn’t there, except for in the parts of the fandom that intersect with people that watch Supernatural and The Vampire Diaries.
THE RIGHTFUL WINNER: This one isn’t really even fair. It’s Doctor Who in a walk. Even though Game of Thrones and Supernatural have extremely lively, extremely visible fanbases, they’re still not near the subculture that Doctor Who has put together.
THE THING: Lawyer has to go back to community college, all of pop culture is filtered through it, the sitcom is reinvented, a gas leak causes an enormous, catastrophic failure. Then Dan Harmon came back and everything was great again. Soon to be a show on Yahoo.
THE FANDOM: A feverish set of people who watch sitcoms and want them to be good. The reason that Community works as a source of comedy is its underlying belief that things, and people, can be actually good, instead of just signifying good. I have more to say about this that I might even say another time.
Parks & Recreation
THE THING: A local Parks & Recreation department becomes a surprisingly-complex web of interconnected comedy stories. This is the show that gave the world Ron Swanson and, if nothing else, should probably canonized for that.
THE FANDOM: Less fervent than Community, and also less specific to Parks and Recreation, which has many of the same notes as Breaking Bad. It is, in cultural terms, occupying the same space as Breaking Bad (with Community as its Mad Men) on the comedy side.
THE THING: The website for this award, the website for the tv show, Fox, and the wikipedia page all say it’s New Girl and not The New Girl. I feel like I’ve been lied to. Anyway, Zooey Deschanel is quirky, and people whose opinions I respect and appreciate say that it’s gotten much better than its first season. I’m willing to take their word for it.
THE FANDOM: This has a fandom? It’s a successful tv show that’s popular among critics (again, after the first season). I’ve watched up to several minutes of a handful of episodes for less-than-savory reasons11. It’s clearly got a deep backstory and some character-development stuff going that I’d have to wade through. That said, I guess the loyalty that keeps it on the air qualifies as a “fandom,” even though I don’t really know what else they do.
THE THING: Oh just stop it, MTV. You’re embarrassing yourself.
THE FANDOM: It exists primarily in the dreams and intentions of MTV’s marketing department. They probably have crossover cons with the Teen Wolf “fandom”
How I Met Your Mother
THE THING: Also recently-departed, very-long-running sitcom about friends, one of whom spends nine years telling one story to his kids. Notable for an extremely talented cast, and for being, for a long time, the exception when people talked about not watching three-camera sitcoms.
THE FANDOM: Surprisingly vocal! This was one of those shows that people liked a whole lot for its run, and its ending (as covered in this very space) was met with a reaction just short of biblical. Tend to be a bit older, and people who also like sitcoms and want them to be good, and also want them to not be screaming at them about why they should think this particular sitcom is good, nor surrounding the goodness in a package of, say, interpretive dancing for a Spanish grade.
THE THING: A first-season phenomenon that has since quieted way down to a cult show (which, really, is what it should have been the whole time) about people singing pop songs while going through the biggest, most obvious motions of something like acceptance. The ladies of the show may be cursed, as two of them have had boyfriends die almost exactly a year apart.
THE FANDOM: At this point I think it’s down to the people who were themselves in glee clubs in high school? Occasionally they poke their heads into the wider world, but at this point everyone pretty much knows what they’re about, and they continue to go on their merry way.
It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
THE THING: You know, the state of television production is a mess. Shows that don’t perform extremely well for networks get unceremoniously axed, unless the network itself is doing so poorly on that night that they keep a critical favorite around so that someone’s favorite is on the air. And they complain that they can’t do things like cable, because of larger overheads, etc. And yet I put it to the theoretical television executives out there: maybe you could? Because the cable model isn’t based on anything other than sticking with profitable enterprises even if they aren’t particularly profitable. When It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia started, it was early days for original programming on FX, and it was mostly touted for being Danny Devito’s tv show. It’s the launching pad for Charlie Day, and remains a favorite source of quotes, image macros, gifs, and all of the other markers of online fandom presence. Plus, it’s been on and successful for nine years. So what’s the argument?
THE FANDOM: As mentioned, it’s extremely visible, probably because the show lends itself so well to sharing the punchlines and not losing any of their quality. And also partly because it’s been on for nine years. The fandom doesn’t seem to be any unified group, but they’re very much out there.
THE THING: A very funny show about cops that, if nothing else, gives us two things: Andre Braugher being very funny, and a wider platform for the comedy genius of Chelsea Peretti.
THE FANDOM: See, this is where that all falls apart. Is it a fandom? It’s a successful show. I guess what we’re learning here is that I think of a “fandom” as being something that exists as an entity, not just the mass group of something’s fans. A “fandom” is a sports team’s stands, as it were, rather than the people that catch the game in a bar. So I don’t think Brooklyn Nine-Nine has one of those. And if it did, I’m pretty sure I’d have found it, as it was my favorite show that premiered last season.
THE RIGHTFUL WINNER: This one’s tough, because this category more than any other would require some definition to really make the judgment call. I suppose, using the “the fandom was enough to bring it back” argument, you’d really have to give it to Community12.
Attack on Titan
THE THING: Post-apocalyptic anime, adapted from a wildly successful manga (again – a print category, guys. Seriously.), it starts out one thing and becomes something different and more complex, without losing the action story that started it out in the first place.
THE FANDOM: I’m still in America, so I’m, once again, speaking only to the American wing of the fandom. Anime fans tend to periodically love something so fervently, it shoves itself into the mainstream consciousness, and, at least as far as I’m aware, these tend to be really, really good13. This fandom in particular is very active and very visible.
Free! Iwatobi Swim Club
THE THING: This is more anime that comes from manga (which, to be fair, a lot of it does), and i’m going to have to confess: I know almost nothing about this, although some of the characters look familiar, like I’ve seen them around the internet somewhere, but honestly, I have no idea what’s going on here.
THE FANDOM: Uh…I guess it’s fine? I feel like I have to disqualify myself from judgment, but we all know that’s not going to happen. I’m going to say that it seems to be somewhat visible, in the sense that I’ve seen fans around, and that it’s not visible enough to grab more of my attention.
THE THING: One of the greatest voice casts ever assembled makes a spy show that’s more focused on one-liners than literally anything else.
THE FANDOM: They are also very visible, but they seem, to me, to be pretty casual. Even people that quote them all the time are still basically there for the jokes. Not that there’s any better reason to enjoy a comedy, I just think that, as a fandom, they’re somewhat outclassed by, say, the Attack on Titan people. Or by….
THE THING: A boy, his dog, their imaginations and a bunch of candy rescue princesses, rock out, play video games and generally adventure around a world where seemingly anything can happen at any time for any reason.
THE FANDOM: Adventure Time has the distinction of being one of the most idiosyncratic cartoons to ever air, and its fandom is borne of that. While Archer and Attack on Titan are fine programs with big viewerships, Adventure Time is deeply personal, and, as such, while their fanbase doesn’t have the visibility or even the recruitment measures (it’s hard to convince someone why they should like AT if they don’t just by seeing it) of other fandoms, it burns awfully bright.
THE THING: The 900 pound gorilla of cable comedy. It’s been running for seventeen years, it’s probably not going anywhere. A couple of generations of comedy junkies have come up through its off-color sensibilities, and a thousand cartoons have been launched by imitation.
THE FANDOM: Sometimes a thing is around so long that, where it would have the normal fandom of a successful show, its mere longevity means that it’s been around for an enormous portion of the viewer’s life (over half of mine, even though I’ve never been a regular viewer, and don’t count myself as part of the fandom), and that people grow enormously attached to it. This is helped by the fact that the creators are still the writers, and the show still has a very definite, specific voice, but that it’s covered an enormous amount of ground in its run, and there’s probably an episode or two for just about anybody, which ensures that potential fans can always find their way in.
THE THING: Anime about a ninja that wants to be the head ninja. This one has a deep mythology, a lot of bright colors, and is surprisingly funny.
THE FANDOM: The manga is a giant phenomenon in Japan, and simply by dint of the bulk of its popularity, it has some pretty solid hooks in the U.S. as well. The fandom here largely consists of the younger end of the anime fandom, as well as a number of the more “serious” older anime fans who are impressed with its craft.
THE THING: A vampire tries, repeatedly, to bring his ghost girlfriend back to life. This is a very, very Japanese story, with a very specifically Japanese usage of “demon”, “vampire”, “ghost” and, honestly, “girlfriend”.
THE FANDOM: largely Japanophiles, as far as I can tell. The show itself is O.K., but, like Sherlock, it sort of has more of a fanbase because of its cultural frame of reference than its actual qualities. Which is a fine reason to have a fanbase, but it makes it rather hard to parse.
THE THING: A televisual abortion that leads to hate, which leads to suffering, which leads to the dark side14. That was a reference to a thing you already like, which means I’m at least 85% of the way to being a Family Guy writer. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to perform some casual misogyny to make up the other 15%.
THE FANDOM: The rose-colored-glasses of fan memory (it didn’t used to be the criminally, punishingly un-funny tv show that it is now, and the first few seasons even have a couple of jokes) got it un-cancelled, which would give it a strong showing (as these are the criteria I’ve established) if it weren’t for the fact that I’m fairly certain that “nostalgia” is a shitty reason to want more, new versions of something and also: it’s really, really terrible.
THE RIGHTFUL WINNER: On the one hand, Attack on Titan has almost nothing giving it a foothold except its fandom, and it’s still a pretty prominent feature out there in the television world. On the other hand, South Park is basically a religion to some people. And it’s hard to compete with that.
Best Fandom Forever (BFF)
THE THING: Harry Potter15 is the story of a kid who goes to wizarding school, is forever having spells cast at him that put him out of commission while the spoiled “chosen one” scarface jerkball gets to go off and have adventures until the seventh book, at which point the real hero finally gets to chop a snake in half.
THE FANDOM: At this point in the proceedings (with one exception, which we’ll see here in a moment), there’s a jump in scale. Naruto and Glee are things that, even at the bottom-end of the modern fandom scale, still just have modern fandoms. Harry Potter is for life. For life.
The Lord of the Rings
THE THING: It’s kind of the O.G. of fandom, really. Before all the cons and all the celebration of fandoms, before many of the people that created the things on this list were even alive, J.R.R. Tolkien was yelling at the people who, he felt, were too obsessed with his story of elves and dwarves and rings and such.
THE FANDOM: Longevity makes it hard to gauge, really. Lord of the Rings has basically passed beyond traditional notions of “fandom” into a thing that people generally stop by on their way to other fandoms. It’s true that not everyone has read it, or seen the films, or even likes it if they have, but what is true is that it set the template for basically all of this.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
THE THING: Witty, attractive vampires, plus demons and wisecracks and specific speech patterns. Will they or won’t they, prominent homosexual characters, and the worst late-cast addition since Scrappy Doo.
THE FANDOM: There were, prior to Buffy, shows that people were obsessed with, certainly. But in terms of modern fandom, at least of the television type, Buffy is ground zero. Call it the starting point for second-wave fandom. Buffy fans are probably still increasing in number. The entire extension of Joss Whedon fandom grows out of the soil of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which yields not only the rabid (and often tiresome) Firefly people, but also his current job as writer of the MCU.
THE THING: See above. This, presumably, is meant to mean that it’s Nu Who that’s nominated above, but I refuse to acknowledge their attempt.
THE FANDOM: this has the distinction of being a cult item in America (where, for a very long time, regular video copies of it didn’t exist, so you had to know somebody, or keep your eye on the PBS listings, to watch it), while just being some bygone part of the popular culture in the U.K. that got brought back. This is why I’m sticking to American fandom throughout.
THE THING: You know, maybe I’ve been too narrow and that instead of this referring to the title off the tv show we’re meant to consider the entire pop-cultural life of the thing itself. That would be basically impossible to evaluate. Yikes.
THE FANDOM: It’s the same as it was above, really. I also think it’s pretty outclassed in this competition – it’s the exception I mentioned before. It’s a fine program, certainly, but it’s only existed for a few years, and hasn’t generated that much output in that time. It could, very easily, be something that doesn’t sustain over time (even though that, admittedly, doesn’t seem very likely).
THE THING: See, now we need not just parameters for fandom, but parameters for what is included here. The whole character of Batman, in any medium, includes dogs, encounters with Superman, being strapped inside of an enormous coffee pot, nuking the ocean directly above Gotham City, a batsuit with nipples, growling “I’m the goddamned Batman”, and, always, sex with Catwoman.
THE FANDOM: Batman as a property is basically a whole bunch of fandoms. Comics fans, movies fans, people who like specific bits of the comic or specific iterations of the movie.
THE RIGHTFUL WINNER: Actually, I’m going to say it’s Batman. While Harry Potter is a big deal to a lot of people, that’s going to end up The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe in a couple of generations: not unpopular, but not always greeted as rapturously. The Lord of the Rings has been at it a very long time, but doesn’t have the depth or breadth of catalog to sustain most people for very long. Buffy is the closest contender, I think, but is still too self-aware to get the kind of “living for it” fan that other properties get. Sherlock never had a chance. Batman, though. People live and die Batman. People eat, sleep and breathe Batman. Batman is a thing that changes lives16.
And there we have it! Tune in to the show itself on Sunday, if you can figure out if you get MTVu and where it is on your cable system, and you can see just what the hell this whole thing is on about!
1 used here, in the awards ceremony and throughout the rest of this piece to mean the concrete mass of people who are fans, rather than the abstract state of being a fan.
2 four novels, two comic books, but the comic books get weird, so keep reading.
3 remember, the last, shortest, and least-complicated book is, somehow, getting split into two movies.
4 The Hunger Games is about a totalitarian government, intra-citizen paranoia, police-state brutality and, in general, a boot stamping on a face forever. Divergent is about personality-sorting, and people undermining it for the cause of love.
5 it would make the most sense if this was The Marvel Cinematic Universe and the next entry was The X-Men Cinematic Universe, since the MCU is run by Disney/Marvel and the X-Men films are owned by Fox. This is why there’s two Quicksilvers, for example – the character has a weird split ownership, which enables him to get bundled with both The X-Men (he’s a former member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, and he’s Magneto’s son) and The Avengers (he’s Scarlet Witch’s sister, which matters even though she’s never made a film appearance and would likely also belong to both studios).
6 this would be the Chris Claremont/John Byrne period, a.k.a. “The X-Men’s golden age, and maybe the strongest run on any superhero comic ever”. Seriously, this story has fans.
7 this would be a spoiler if you didn’t know anything about Sean Bean
8 which actually started on UPN and then went to the CW in the merger. Buffy the Vampire Slayer was re-run on The CW because it had aired on The WB originally, and probably is part of the “extreme loyalty” genetic makeup.
9 this is how I and most of the other Old Who fans found out about it, so my sampling is unscientific, but anecdotally it’s 100%.
10 don’t call it that.
11 Lizzy Caplan was in four episodes, but I could only watch the first part of three of them.
12 this ends up looking like I’m just picking my favorites, to which I will say: I like Pacific Rim more than Veronica Mars and Breaking Bad more than Nu Who.
13 exception granted for Ranma ½, which is the boring kind of crazy. Also I’m too old to have gotten into Pokemon, Dragonball Z, or Sailor Moon, but I see the merits of each.
14 it skips the fear step because it’s terrible
15 as an aside, the first Harry Potter novel is two months older than South Park. That’s how much South Park there is.
16 also, with the exception of The Animated Series, The Dark Knight, The Killing Joke, Secrets and Lego Batman, I don’t much care for it.